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Foreigner Dies in Police Custody, Leading to Mass Protest by Africans in Guangzhou

According to media reports and photos posted on Weibo, China’s Twitter, a mass protest took place in Guangzhou on June 19 following the death of an African man in police custody. One netizen, @GingerYip reports, “According to a black brother at the scene, this morning a black brother got involved in a physical altercation with an electric bike driver over a RMB10 fare (less than US$2). The police took the black brother away. Then they told his family that he died and his family asked for his body. According to the police’s account, the fight happened around 1pm on [the 18th], and the man lost consciousness around 5pm, and he died despite emergency medical attention.” {{1}}[[1]] :据现场一名黑兄称,今天早上一黑兄与电动车司机因十元车资发生肢体冲突,警察到场后带走黑兄,其后通知家属该黑兄身亡,家属要求归还尸。但据警方通报打斗发生在昨天中午13时许,17时许该外籍男士昏迷。最终该男子抢救无效身亡。[[1]]

As can be seen in the photos below, some protesters held up placards asking the police to “Give Us the Dead Body.” Other protesters reportedly attacked police and threw rocks at police vehicles. Online sentiments on Chinese social media were overwhelmingly in favor of the police, with many netizens resorting to xenophobic and racist taunts against the estimated 200,000 African migrants living in Guangzhou. @马娅会长, an eye witness, complained, “I saw them blocking traffic. A strong black man blocked a bus with a tree from the sidewalk. They threw water bottles and wood blocks and did African dances at the cross section. Millions could not get home because of the traffic jam. Troublemakers with no morals or civic values, don’t treat us as people. This is our country, can’t let outsiders run wild and trample everything.”新浪个人认证 {{2}}[[2]]目睹拦住公交,黑壮汉拔起路边绿树插在大巴前玻璃拦路,扔水瓶木头,在十字路口群跳非洲舞,千万人受堵回不了家,没品行无公德心刁民,真不把人当人,这是我们的祖国,哪容外来鸟人横行霸道践踏.[[2]]

 

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Rachel Lu

Rachel Lu is a co-founder of Tea Leaf Nation. Rachel traces her ancestry to Southern China. She spent much of her childhood memorizing Chinese poetry. After long stints in New York, New Haven and Cambridge, she has returned to China to bear witness to its great transformation. She is currently based in China.
  • FranklinBluth

    How integrated are the African immigrants with Chinese society?  Do they speak or read Mandarin or Cantonese?

    • oHanan

      no, they mostly only know how to speak french

  • QuietestAC

    How integrated are the African immigrants with Chinese society?  Do they speak or read Mandarin or Cantonese?

    • oHanan

      no, they mostly only know how to speak french

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  • Dave

    Very interesting developments. Can’t think of another time when foreigners are protesting in China and on such a large scale. Wonder how the gov’t will react to this. 

  • Dave

    Very interesting developments. Can’t think of another time when foreigners are protesting in China and on such a large scale. Wonder how the gov’t will react to this. 

  • Moomoocows47

    this reminds me of the la riots

  • Moomoocows47

    this reminds me of the la riots

  • Derniermatin

    Why are people so mean to Africans throughout the world?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/RUP5RHLMBSKHYT2MOSAAQYFWSQ Steve

      Because Africans bring crime and chaos where ever they go

    • alastairabbacle

      Chinese take to civilization like ducks to water.  They have been civilized for 1000s of years.  African are not as adjusted to civilization. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/metalheadpaladin Matt Cooper

        Try telling that to Mali, once the site of a great civilisation, one of
        the world’s greatest centres of learning. Or Ethiopia. Or Egypt – the name
        Alexandria ring a bell to you? Or Augustine of Hippo? Africa is one of
        the great cradles of Western civilisation, and Africans were already
        writing, building pyramids and conducting astronomy and science while
        the Indo-Europeans were still running around in the snow wearing
        bearskins and most Chinese people were living in yurts or mud huts.

        The amount of sheer ignorance and bigotry on this thread is sickening.

        • alastairabbacle

          I don’t choose my beliefs based upon what would be a good belief to have.
          I choose my beliefs based upon what is reality, in all of its messiness. The idea that all races have equal capability in building and maintaining civilization sounds good. However, this is not the case. 80,000 years of human evolution have, over the generations, led to different personality and intelligence profiles of the races.

          Are Black Africans not more gifted on average than Whites at improvisation, rhythm, and singing in a spontaneous way?
          Are Black Africans not more gifted on average than Whites at fast-movement and tackling based sports?

          If Black Africans were also equally intelligent on average at taking tests, then they would be SUPERHUMAN. If Blacks have advantages in very physically combative athletics, and in spontaneous music-making, AND are equal in test-taking ability, then they would be SUPERIOR to Whites. Blacks as Uebermenschen, this is unsavoury.

          Instead, each race has different clustering of averages, and different gifts and dangers. It is important to note that any given individual of a race can fall far outside of the average ability for the race. Look up the phenomenon called “The Bell Curve”. Thus, racism is not justified.

          However, because the races naturally cluster at different averages for achievement in different areas, EQUALIZING RACISM is not justified. Each race has it’s advantages and disadvantages, on average. What has happened, is that there is a lot of money to be made by trying to solve a problem that is magnified beyond proportion. Black underachievement in schools will always be there for Blacks as a group, but certainly not for all individuals. There will be a smaller, but never closed achievement gap. Many people and groups stand to gain power and urgency by IGNORANCE of the natural differences of races.

          The corollary to this, is that each race “handles” differently. Think of a racecar. When you race a racecar around a track, each different car will handle differently. Some cars are better at turning, some have better speed, some grip the road firmer. To ignore the differences in handling of the cars would be disastrous for the race.

          Everybody says there is this race problem. This stems from ignoring the diversity of races. Each race needs to drive the race a little bit differently, and who says we all have to race? Can not each race be respected for what is thrives in, and encouraged to compensate against the peculiar difficulty of each?

          Everybody says there is this race problem, but the problem is we don’t understand the cars.

          The blind are leading the blind, and thus we fall into holes.
          http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/

      • dfrog

        China civilized? you know way to well that mainland Chinese are completely uncivilized.. cut the crap.
        Once thing I may give in to you.. the murderous power hungry Chinese empires of centuries past were probably less uncivilised than Chinese of the past 50 years.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FWMCMK6U5OWRHYIYJAF2TPFL2U thomas

      The question you should be asking is: Why do violence, poverty, mayhem and failure seem to follow Africans wherever they go in the world.

      • Rushmanm

        Sadly if the Chinese government allows this to happen and does not deport all involved it will only get worse. America has bent over backwards to try to please the black community but nothing has worked, each time something happens that upsets them it is not handled civilized but with riots,robbing,looting and burning buidings. It is like they feel it is ok to take what they want and feel entitled to do so. Look at the many examples in America and see how the bad element of the black population drowns out the good law abiding black citizens who are afraid to speak out and condemn the bad actions  in most cases.

  • Derniermatin

    Why are people so mean to Africans throughout the world?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/RUP5RHLMBSKHYT2MOSAAQYFWSQ Steve

      Because Africans bring crime and chaos where ever they go

      • PS

        wow… that’s one intelligent comment………….

        • anacorider

          It is the truth. Truth is not a pretty thing to defective minds.

          • PS

            So, when Mr. Steve says “Because Africans bring crime and chaos where ever they go” I just have to go with it, and end the discussion? That’s not a really constructive approach to a any discussion or problems. Comments/opinions like his and yours just make me realize why the world is fucked up.

    • alastairabbacle

      Chinese take to civilization like ducks to water.  They have been civilized for 1000s of years.  African are not as adjusted to civilization. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/metalheadpaladin Matt Cooper

        Try telling that to Mali, once the site of a great civilisation, one of
        the world’s greatest centres of learning. Or Ethiopia. Or Egypt – the name
        Alexandria ring a bell to you? Or Augustine of Hippo? Africa is one of
        the great cradles of Western civilisation, and Africans were already
        writing, building pyramids and conducting astronomy and science while
        the Indo-Europeans were still running around in the snow wearing
        bearskins and most Chinese people were living in yurts or mud huts.

        The amount of sheer ignorance and bigotry on this thread is sickening.

        • alastairabbacle

          I don’t choose my beliefs based upon what would be a good belief to have.
          I choose my beliefs based upon what is reality, in all of its messiness. The idea that all races have equal capability in building and maintaining civilization sounds good. However, this is not the case. 80,000 years of human evolution have, over the generations, led to different personality and intelligence profiles of the races.

          Are Black Africans not more gifted on average than Whites at improvisation, rhythm, and singing in a spontaneous way?
          Are Black Africans not more gifted on average than Whites at fast-movement and tackling based sports?

          If Black Africans were also equally intelligent on average at taking tests, then they would be SUPERHUMAN. If Blacks have advantages in very physically combative athletics, and in spontaneous music-making, AND are equal in test-taking ability, then they would be SUPERIOR to Whites. Blacks as Uebermenschen, this is unsavoury.

          Instead, each race has different clustering of averages, and different gifts and dangers. It is important to note that any given individual of a race can fall far outside of the average ability for the race. Look up the phenomenon called “The Bell Curve”. Thus, racism is not justified.

          However, because the races naturally cluster at different averages for achievement in different areas, EQUALIZING RACISM is not justified. Each race has it’s advantages and disadvantages, on average. What has happened, is that there is a lot of money to be made by trying to solve a problem that is magnified beyond proportion. Black underachievement in schools will always be there for Blacks as a group, but certainly not for all individuals. There will be a smaller, but never closed achievement gap. Many people and groups stand to gain power and urgency by IGNORANCE of the natural differences of races.

          The corollary to this, is that each race “handles” differently. Think of a racecar. When you race a racecar around a track, each different car will handle differently. Some cars are better at turning, some have better speed, some grip the road firmer. To ignore the differences in handling of the cars would be disastrous for the race.

          Everybody says there is this race problem. This stems from ignoring the diversity of races. Each race needs to drive the race a little bit differently, and who says we all have to race? Can not each race be respected for what is thrives in, and encouraged to compensate against the peculiar difficulty of each?

          Everybody says there is this race problem, but the problem is we don’t understand the cars.

          The blind are leading the blind, and thus we fall into holes.
          http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/

          • aka

            Come on, waste all that time and words. Just come out and say it, you’re racist. It’s ok, someone out there thinks you’re unsavory too.

          • PS

            Wow, longest piece of bullshit I have read for a long time. There might be some physiological differences yes… but saying that some “races” is better at being civilized…. come the fuck on….

        • bqingtian

          Mali, Zimbabwe and Ethiopia are barely relevant compared to civilizations anywhere else. Name one achievement to come out of those places. This is just false equivalency perpetuated by afrocentrists. Egyptians were not black. Even in their “purity” it was not long before they were mixed with Persian and Greek conquerers. Everyone here knows the subject is sub-saharan blacks, please spare us the apologism.

          And the primary assertion is still correct. China is the world’s oldest and single continuous civilization. Egypt is nothing now, and southern Africa has never amounted to much.

          • Matthew Cooper

            Oh, if only, if only there was a tool someone could use to find information online about ancient civilisations…

            The Timbuktu Manuscripts were (and are still, according to UNESCO) a treasure trove of the Malian intellectual heritage, and should count for a massive array of achievements to come out of the Malian civilisation in the 12th and 13th centuries; easily paralleling or outstripping the Chinese accomplishments of the same era. The Axumite Empire was a great regional power and cultural centre in its day, as a meeting-point of all three great Abrahamic religions. The ruins of Great Zimbabwe are a protected UNESCO World Heritage Site, and still stand as a testament to the masonic genius of the inhabitants who built it. There’s no false equivalency to be found here, and in fact there has been more of a concerted colonial effort to downplay and denigrate these sorts of achievements by non-whites.

            As for the Egyptians, the ancient Egyptians (having come originally from the south Nile basin), were a civilisation which was more black than anything else, speaking an Afro-Asiatic language. The first contact with anyone who might be thought of as ‘white’ would be the Hittites, and they came well after Egypt’s golden age.

            And, actually, the primary assertion had nothing to do with the continuity of China. To say that Africans are ‘not adjusted’ to civilisation is racist, and it is simply factually wrong. Whether or not China is ‘continuous’ has nothing to do with anything.

          • dd

            Oh look, deluded white kid apologizing for lesser societies. So shocking. Name one thing in the Timbuktu manuscripts that weren’t already known and copied from Arabic literature. One. Outstripping the Song dynasty? The richest nation on the planet at the time? Go say this to a historian. ANY historian. Mali and Axum were at most kingdoms, only “empires” when glorified by placing them solely in the African context. Greater Zimbabwe is a ruin, its UNESCO heritage no more impressive than the dozens that can be found in many other countries.

            List some accomplishments from these civilizations, and let’s stack them up against any other part of the world.

            Afrocentrist claims aside, both Egyptians themselves and outside observers have noted some difference between their population and Africans further to the south. To say that their culture is influenced by the south is not to say their accomplishments were equal.

            I have no intention of denigrating achievements from non-whites. I’m not white. But I have no intention of giving credit where it isn’t due.

            So there is plenty of false equivalency to be found here. And it has your name written over it.

          • Matthew Cooper

            Oh, look – an attack on my race and (assumed age)! So shocking. Keep it up, Tweedles – make sure to let everyone appreciate the scintillating superficiality of your arguments.

            The point in question was whether Africans (as a geographical expression, not as a ‘race’, since there is no such thing as a single ‘African race’ – the population of Africa being much more genetically heterogeneous than that of, say, Europe) are adapted to civilisation. As a matter of empirical proof, they have been historically, ergo they are. Full stop, end of story. Anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or racist. Keeping up this pointless chauvinist dick-waving only makes you appear the more pathetic.

      • dfrog

        China civilized? you know way to well that mainland Chinese are completely uncivilized.. cut the crap.
        Once thing I may give in to you.. the murderous power hungry Chinese empires of centuries past were probably less uncivilised than Chinese of the past 50 years.

        • http://twitter.com/patrioticpussy olivia

          are you taiwanese? are you american? If you haven’t lived in or experienced mainland chinese life and culture you have no fucking right to say that they are uncivilized. They are civilized, the definition may be different from the western world but they have done their share to be recognized as such. Check yourself

        • markuc

          do us all a favor, delete this site from your bookmark and make a mental note never to re-visit it. It’ll help yourself and more importantly, save us from your venom.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FWMCMK6U5OWRHYIYJAF2TPFL2U thomas

      The question you should be asking is: Why do violence, poverty, mayhem and failure seem to follow Africans wherever they go in the world.

      • Rushmanm

        Sadly if the Chinese government allows this to happen and does not deport all involved it will only get worse. America has bent over backwards to try to please the black community but nothing has worked, each time something happens that upsets them it is not handled civilized but with riots,robbing,looting and burning buidings. It is like they feel it is ok to take what they want and feel entitled to do so. Look at the many examples in America and see how the bad element of the black population drowns out the good law abiding black citizens who are afraid to speak out and condemn the bad actions  in most cases.

    • anacorider

      Because the Africans bring it on themselves. Africans for the most part are barbarians. Be warned.

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  • haroldcrews

    Africans have average IQs of 70.  An individual with an IQ of 70 is borderline retarded.  East Asians have IQs of approximately 106.  Africans are prone to violence and criminality at much higher rates than either whites and even higher than East Asians.  Africans are simply incapable of civilization.  Africans have never created an advanced civilization.  Further in those African countries that formerly were governed by whites the advanced society once in place is degrading.  Standards of living are declining.  GPD for those countries are declining to disastrous levels.  Life expectancy is declining.  And crime and corruption is increasing.  These riots should serve as a warning to China.  Do not allow any substantial number of Africans into China.  Once past a tipping point they will destroy your society. 

    • 4u

      it’s so silly of u, i gotta say! u r talking abt the things that don’t concern here!…people with IQ 70 as well as IQ 106, they’r both smart enough to want the body of their friend who died in above situation!!!

  • haroldcrews

    Africans have average IQs of 70.  An individual with an IQ of 70 is borderline retarded.  East Asians have IQs of approximately 106.  Africans are prone to violence and criminality at much higher rates than either whites and even higher than East Asians.  Africans are simply incapable of civilization.  Africans have never created an advanced civilization.  Further in those African countries that formerly were governed by whites the advanced society once in place is degrading.  Standards of living are declining.  GPD for those countries are declining to disastrous levels.  Life expectancy is declining.  And crime and corruption is increasing.  These riots should serve as a warning to China.  Do not allow any substantial number of Africans into China.  Once past a tipping point they will destroy your society. 

    • 4u

      it’s so silly of u, i gotta say! u r talking abt the things that don’t concern here!…people with IQ 70 as well as IQ 106, they’r both smart enough to want the body of their friend who died in above situation!!!

    • PS

      It amazes me every time when I encounter people like you. But your comment makes me speechless. No wonder the world is as fucked up as it is, when there are people that believe that bullshit you are writing…

  • jeffaral

    China: don’t make the same mistakes as the West: deport all Africans while you can.   If you don’t, they will destroy your country!

  • jeffaral

    China: don’t make the same mistakes as the West: deport all Africans while you can.   If you don’t, they will destroy your country!

  • Guest

    Don’t let them run your country in the ground with crime.

  • Guest

    Don’t let them run your country in the ground with crime.

  • Vengador

    With your zero growth population and your bringing in Africans, you’re laying the groundwork for the destruction of society. All these people know is riot, rape and murder. You are putting your own people in harm’s way. Send them back to Africa. They don’t belong there. Don’t make the same mistake that we in the US have made.

  • Vengador

    With your zero growth population and your bringing in Africans, you’re laying the groundwork for the destruction of society. All these people know is riot, rape and murder. You are putting your own people in harm’s way. Send them back to Africa. They don’t belong there. Don’t make the same mistake that we in the US have made.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FWMCMK6U5OWRHYIYJAF2TPFL2U thomas

    Looks like China has discovered that multiculturalism and diversity are a source of “great strength.” LMAO……

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FWMCMK6U5OWRHYIYJAF2TPFL2U thomas

    Looks like China has discovered that multiculturalism and diversity are a source of “great strength.” LMAO……

  • Pitiful

    Wow these comments are a cesspool of evil.

    Chinese police kill or allow a foreigner to be killed through inaction (I vote for kill), and the comments are all people attacking foreigners…

    Sad and sick. Pls confront the brutality of China’s government already!

  • Pitiful

    Wow these comments are a cesspool of evil.

    Chinese police kill or allow a foreigner to be killed through inaction (I vote for kill), and the comments are all people attacking foreigners…

    Sad and sick. Pls confront the brutality of China’s government already!

  • alastairabbacle

    I hope you check out http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/

    Paladins are cool.

  • alastairabbacle

    I hope you check out http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/

    Paladins are cool.

  • dfrog

    The only good thing about China is that the local han Chinese are so greedy that China will self destruct before they can cause much harm to the rest of the world.

    China’s government relentless effort to unite the people by brainwashing them against the perils of imaginary enemies such as Japan and USA has done little more than contain their drive to self destruct… you just need to go back to Mao’s time to see what they will do if let loose.

    It’s unbelievable to see the comment section here when mainland Chinese have offered the world the most abominable and frequent examples of lack of any human decency.. most are able to do absolutely anything for the sake of power and specially money from widespread robbery, corruption, killing babies, poisoning milk, overrunning children with trucks and even eating fetus.

    If you take educated people from different racial and cultural background, only the mainland Chinese will standout in their ability to engage into disgusting uncivilized behavior as their worship for money leads them to do whatever it takes to get their hands on it!

    And these are facts that all mainland Chinese are well aware!

  • zhao

    i am living in canada and i can say multiculturism is only good for decent and gentle races.

    • aka

      Whew, thank goodness I don’t live with Chinese people. Even Chinese people know they’re not decent and gentle! Totally agree with you, Canada should expel all of their Chinese people too.

    • PS

      I agree with aka, a lot of “native” (white) canadians dislike all the chinese living there. They should deport them all… or do this only apply for africans/dark skinned people?

  • zhao

    i am living in canada and i can say multiculturism is only good for decent and gentle races.

    • aka

      Whew, thank goodness I don’t live with Chinese people. Even Chinese people know they’re not decent and gentle! Totally agree with you, Canada should expel all of their Chinese people too.

    • PS

      I agree with aka, a lot of “native” (white) canadians dislike all the chinese living there. They should deport them all… or do this only apply for africans/dark skinned people?

  • PS

    The most racist people I know, are asian….

  • PS

    The most racist people I know, are asian….

  • PS

    How is this different from the violent demonstrations against Japan/Japanese by the chinese in China????????? For all of you criticizing the africans for being uncivilized/violent, the chinese are doing the same shit! Beating up people for using japanese products or because they look japanese? How is this worse?

  • PS

    How is this different from the violent demonstrations against Japan/Japanese by the chinese in China????????? For all of you criticizing the africans for being uncivilized/violent, the chinese are doing the same shit! Beating up people for using japanese products or because they look japanese? How is this worse?

  • dfrog

    The only good thing about China is that the local han Chinese are so greedy that China will self destruct before they can cause much harm to the rest of the world.

    China’s government relentless effort to unite the people by brainwashing them against the perils of imaginary enemies such as Japan and USA has done little more than contain their drive to self destruct… you just need to go back to Mao’s time to see what they will do if let loose.

    It’s unbelievable to see the comment section here when mainland Chinese have offered the world the most abominable and frequent examples of lack of any human decency.. most are able to do absolutely anything for the sake of power and specially money from widespread robbery, corruption, killing babies, poisoning milk, overrunning children with trucks and even eating fetus.

    If you take educated people from different racial and cultural background, only the mainland Chinese will standout in their ability to engage into disgusting uncivilized behavior as their worship for money leads them to do whatever it takes to get their hands on it!

    And these are facts that all mainland Chinese are well aware!

  • http://twitter.com/patrioticpussy olivia

    are you taiwanese? are you american? If you haven’t lived in or experienced mainland chinese life and culture you have no fucking right to say that they are uncivilized. They are civilized, the definition may be different from the western world but they have done their share to be recognized as such. Check yourself

  • markuc

    do us all a favor, delete this site from your bookmark and make a mental note never to re-visit it. It’ll help yourself and more importantly, save us from your venom.

  • aka

    Come on, waste all that time and words. Just come out and say it, you’re racist. It’s ok, someone out there thinks you’re unsavory too.

  • PS

    Wow, longest piece of bullshit I have read for a long time. There might be some physiological differences yes… but saying that some “races” is better at being civilized…. come the fuck on….

  • PS

    wow… that’s one intelligent comment………….

  • PS

    It amazes me every time when I encounter people like you. But your comment makes me speechless. No wonder the world is as fucked up as it is, when there are people that believe that bullshit you are writing…

  • bqingtian

    Mali, Zimbabwe and Ethiopia are barely relevant compared to civilizations anywhere else. Name one achievement to come out of those places. This is just false equivalency perpetuated by afrocentrists. Egyptians were not black. Even in their “purity” it was not long before they were mixed with Persian and Greek conquerers. Everyone here knows the subject is sub-saharan blacks, please spare us the apologism.

    And the primary assertion is still correct. China is the world’s oldest and single continuous civilization. Egypt is nothing now, and southern Africa has never amounted to much.

  • Matthew Cooper

    Oh, if only, if only there was a tool someone could use to find information online about ancient civilisations…

    The Timbuktu Manuscripts were (and are still, according to UNESCO) a treasure trove of the Malian intellectual heritage, and should count for a massive array of achievements to come out of the Malian civilisation in the 12th and 13th centuries; easily paralleling or outstripping the Chinese accomplishments of the same era. The Axumite Empire was a great regional power and cultural centre in its day, as a meeting-point of all three great Abrahamic religions. The ruins of Great Zimbabwe are a protected UNESCO World Heritage Site, and still stand as a testament to the masonic genius of the inhabitants who built it. There’s no false equivalency to be found here, and in fact there has been more of a concerted colonial effort to downplay and denigrate these sorts of achievements by non-whites.

    As for the Egyptians, the ancient Egyptians (having come originally from the south Nile basin), were a civilisation which was more black than anything else, speaking an Afro-Asiatic language. The first contact with anyone who might be thought of as ‘white’ would be the Hittites, and they came well after Egypt’s golden age.

    And, actually, the primary assertion had nothing to do with the continuity of China. To say that Africans are ‘not adjusted’ to civilisation is racist, and it is simply factually wrong. Whether or not China is ‘continuous’ has nothing to do with anything.

  • dd

    Oh look, deluded white kid apologizing for lesser societies. So shocking. Name one thing in the Timbuktu manuscripts that weren’t already known and copied from Arabic literature. One. Outstripping the Song dynasty? The richest nation on the planet at the time? Go say this to a historian. ANY historian. Mali and Axum were at most kingdoms, only “empires” when glorified by placing them solely in the African context. Greater Zimbabwe is a ruin, its UNESCO heritage no more impressive than the dozens that can be found in many other countries.

    List some accomplishments from these civilizations, and let’s stack them up against any other part of the world.

    Afrocentrist claims aside, both Egyptians themselves and outside observers have noted some difference between their population and Africans further to the south. To say that their culture is influenced by the south is not to say their accomplishments were equal.

    I have no intention of denigrating achievements from non-whites. I’m not white. But I have no intention of giving credit where it isn’t due.

    So there is plenty of false equivalency to be found here. And it has your name written over it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wellington.waterloo Wellington Waterloo

    It is the truth. Truth is not a pretty thing to defective minds.

  • PS

    So, when Mr. Steve says “Because Africans bring crime and chaos where ever they go” I just have to go with it, and end the discussion? That’s not a really constructive approach to a any discussion or problems. Comments/opinions like his and yours just make me realize why the world is fucked up.

  • Matthew Cooper

    Oh, look – an attack on my race and (assumed age)! So shocking. Keep it up, Tweedles – make sure to let everyone appreciate the scintillating superficiality of your arguments.

    The point in question was whether Africans (as a geographical expression, not as a ‘race’, since there is no such thing as a single ‘African race’ – the population of Africa being much more genetically heterogeneous than that of, say, Europe) are adapted to civilisation. As a matter of empirical proof, they have been historically, ergo they are. Full stop, end of story. Anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or racist. Keeping up this pointless chauvinist dick-waving only makes you appear the more pathetic.